(0:14:45) (Showing a picture) That’s Cuthead College we’re learning how to pack lumber. Two horses. That’s Wally McPhee I think.

(0:15:06) (Showing another picture) These are old. I worked for the circus for a summer with Morley Indians, a family. That was 1952. Brewster’s got me the job and asked me if I would like to go to England – out of the clear blue sky. I said, “I think I would.” All expenses paid and worked for the circus for publicity. So the Indians would have their regalia on. The circus had about 30 horses and we would go on the parades to advertise the circus more than anything. But the people were so interested in the Indians they wanted to see them in the show, the regular show. They had two shows a night. So the boss came to me and said, “Do you think you could make a show with those Indians?” …. (The Stoney families’ names were) Bearspaw, Henson and Eunice. Eli Rider. Eli was the Chief for years and John Hunter. Yep (Gerry made a show for the circus)…I’m not a showman, but I knew one of the circus guys. One of the circus actors, I guess you could call him – he said to me, “What you want to do is get on that horse (and) get way back in the stable tent.” (It) came off the Big Top and there was an arena in the center with sawdust. “Get way back there and come as fast as you can right into the arena and yell and wave your gun.” They had a starting pistol, 22 bullets, blanks. Bang! Bang! Bang! Around the ring. And the poor people, there is kind of a fence, this high around the (arena) and they sat right close to it. I’d go around and around a couple of times. Get off and the stable groomer would take the horse away and then I’d give them a little bit of a spiel about the Indians. “Now I would like to introduce to you Chief John Hunter and his wife Nancy and then little Diane Seven Stars.” You can see them in the pictures. She (Diana Seven Stars) couldn’t speak English when she went over there. When she got home she spoke like an English person. John Hunter met her at the train when we arrived back and said, ‘How did you like it in England?” She said, “Oh blimey, it’s a smashing place!” So there are a lot of stories like that. We were there for 11 months. We had a planned course. My job? They gave me a job driving a bus, which was made into a staff diner. They had a lot of staff. I used to be on that bus and they had a list of towns to go through, and signs. I’d drive on the opposite side of the highway and shift. Everything was opposite but I got used to it. Anyhow…

(0:19:49) Well…(when I came back to Canada), I guess I went working for a cattle ranch. I worked for them quite often, riding. In the summer I was back with Brewster’s. With the trail rides, packing and all of that. I did that for about seven years. We used to have to put out the Trail Riders camps to start with. Riders came and we got about 20 pack horses of luggage to pack with each ride. And at that time they had two rides. They lasted about seven days to two weeks in those days. We’d pack them out to the camp. They had 22 teepees set up like these here (showing a picture). These are bigger ones. They were like that. The people could stay in them and they could build a fire in the center.

(0:21:14) (In response to the question – How did you get involved with the warden service?) I got to know a lady in Banff who worked in the Banff Medical Clinic. Bobby… and she loved to ride and whatnot. I said, “How would you like to work on a trail ride?” “Oh, she’d love to work in the kitchen.” In the kitchen tent. So I talked to Claude Brewster and he said, “Yeah we could use another hand out there.” So, the next thing I know, it was the next year I guess, we got married. Then, she was quite well educated and whatnot and I thought, “I got to make something of my life, rather than just being a cowboy wandering around.” So I always saw the wardens out on the trail rides, out in their cabins. They presented themselves quite well with their uniforms and nice horses, nice equipment. I thought that would be a perfect job for me. I knew the horse end of it and I knew a bit of carpentry. I can handle an ax. There are so many things that a warden should be able to do. Some things we can teach them to do, other things it’s nice if they have it. Like Don Mickle, his dad was an outfitter, so he was perfect for the horses and also with dealing with people. Other fellows who used to work for outfitters, like me and Don, seemed to be at that time good candidates for wardens.